My answer to [livejournal.com profile] kissycat1000

Oct. 4th, 2006 12:15 am
azekeil: (vague2)
[personal profile] azekeil
[Poll #836226]

Date: 2006-10-03 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Actually, no it's not.
1/10, must try harder.

Date: 2006-10-03 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
Damn, nearly had you ;)

PS. Garth Marengi's Darkplace is fantastic! :)

Date: 2006-10-03 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serena-lesley.livejournal.com
"I had a cat once. I dropped a safe on it, it was a write-off, so I stood on it's head."

Date: 2006-10-03 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
(paraphrasing, 'cause I can't remember exactly): "I had opened a doorway to evil, except it had no handles. So it wasn't a doorway. More like a portal really."

Date: 2006-10-03 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serena-lesley.livejournal.com
"It was really hard to shut. An abstract doorway that had these ornate handles."

Boosh crossover

Date: 2006-10-03 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
I had a cat once.I dropped a safe on it
*right* on it!

Re: Boosh crossover

Date: 2006-10-04 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serena-lesley.livejournal.com
There's a very good reason that there's a crossover. Watch it, you might recognise a few people. :)

Date: 2006-10-03 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Is that the thing that's kind of "Look around you" meets "tales of the unexpected"?
I shall have to give it another try.

Date: 2006-10-04 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
But interestingly, because the only answer you can give is "Yes", the poll is recursive if you answer it (the answer becoming the definition, and therefore recursive), indeterminate if you don't. It's kind of a schroedinger's poll.

Date: 2006-10-04 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ev1ldonut.livejournal.com
No it's not. Recursion is applying a formula to get an answer, then applying the formula to that answer, and so on until the desired result is achieved. There is no recursion in this poll as one application gives the answer, you cannot apply it more than once.

The answer doesn't become the definition by answering yes.

Date: 2006-10-04 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
Hmm, yes. I think I messed up in my definition of recursion - I was going with the fact that having to define the answer to get the answer met the definition for recursion, but I now understand recursion necessarily has to be repeated application of an algorithmn.

Well it had me confused for a while :)

Date: 2006-10-04 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
..or even without the spurious 'n'.

Date: 2006-10-04 08:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ev1ldonut.livejournal.com
You could have made an axiomatic poll...

The answer to this poll is yes: 1)yes

Or a paradoxical one, similar to [livejournal.com profile] kissycat1000's

Can you answer no to this poll?: 1)no

*grin*

Date: 2006-10-04 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
Or even a rhetoric poll:

Is this poll rhetorical? [ ] Yes.

Yeah. I had actually got it right when I answered [livejournal.com profile] sarah_mum originally, but then the appearance of geeks answering the poll made me doubt my conviction.

Plus it's morning. Yep yep. I blame morning.

Date: 2006-10-04 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
Although subsequently I read that rhetoric doesn't actually mean not requiring an answer because it is obvious, but more generally talking about persuasive or effective writing or speech. How confusing!

Date: 2006-10-04 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ev1ldonut.livejournal.com
Indeed, often a misused phrase. ;)

It's not a question that doesn't require an answer because it is obvious. It is a question that was used for effect, rather than to illicit a response, so an answer is not expected. :)

Date: 2006-10-04 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com
Itym 'redundant'

Date: 2006-10-04 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azekeil.livejournal.com
Eventually, and after some confusion, yes.

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